All Comments on 'Visiting Richard Gronier'
by ohio
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No matter what betrayal or hurt you suffer, what crime is committed against you, there is one cure (at least, according to all the authors here!), SEX! Ladies, just give your husband sex, and it fixes EVERYTHING! Go out, cheat all you want, have kids with someone else, murder his parents, do ANYTHING you want, because, according to the vast majority of Lit authors, as long as men get sex, and an occasional blowjob, we will forgive anything! Our only emotions are lust, and hunger, apparently! Maybe we should take a poll amongst Lit authors. Should we send prostitutes into battle instead of soldiers? Peace in our time, one fuck at at a time!
Ohio set up a situation where Liz is acting like she is having an affait. She is. Repeatedly she says she had touched no other man. Why? Because she is having a lesbian affair. Women call the house? No need from HR pov - all the Bernardo stuff can happen during business hours. Personnel issues would not make her attitude distant - she's been doing HR for years. Sexual harassment is a common, not rare, HR issue. It requires meetings but not evening meetings. Lastly, she would be peripheral to the process, not central.
Ohio, you are a great writer but this time I think you misjudged the character you defined.
I'm not big on reconciliation but at times it can be appropriate. However, this is not one of those tales. Let's see if I remember everything. She has an affair going on for a couple months and she doesn't stop it, the husband does. So it would still be going on if she had her way. She was upset that Richard stopped the affair. During this time she put her husband in the background because he wasn't her lover. When the husband made love to her, she thought about her lover. During her affair, she really didn't care about her husband or her family. Oh, she felt guilty--as she got dressed for her lover and went to meet him. This woman does not love her husband at this time, she is just comfortable with him and her life. I really don't care about her reasons for the affair, there are no excuses to cheat-ever. If a man or woman feels the need to cheat, get a divorce first and then it is not cheating. By taking her back this husband is begging for a life of misery and heartbreak. How can he ever trust her again.
A well written and entertaining story but I just don't see justification for a reconciliation.
During the Gronier episode, he loved his wife and feared for his marriage (or all the crying in the shower had no point)... he knew, even then, that things would either have to change or their marriage was over.
Likewise, he recognized that having her change because she was caught (meaning if he told her he knew) had no credit - she needed to change because she wanted to without being forced to. So he made it so she could.
And she did. They hadn't gotten to where they were overnight and he didn't realistically expect to return to their loving life overnight but once they got there he could work with that. He could accept the aberration of her having cheated - not in an "oh, I love being cuckolded fashion" but in a "this ONCE isn't worth the pain a divorce would put my children through. " But *accepting* is not *forgiving*...
It's like punishing a child. You can swat a child or ground a child or give them a time out or whatever... but once they've been punished you can't continue to hold their action (which resulted in the punishment) against them.
But for him, she never got punished. He could have put off her *punishment* forever if things had not transpired as they did but the feeling of a need for it still existed.
His problem was he was too angry to punish her (trust me, you don't want to punish someone WHILE you're mad at them) so never accepted that her feeling awful counted in any way as punishment... and nothing she'd really done in the last eight years was punishment since it was how she should have been behaving anyway...
It wasn't until she got in the shower and he could see her while outside his anger that he could accept that she'd been punished. And once he'd done that he was able to progress... their making love (or engaging in sex) was the equivalent of giving a child a hug after their spanking ("you've been punished but I still love you.")...
His forgiving her (effectively) in one instant is as believable as him losing it in one instant (the confrontation in the vehicle when he blurted about her affair).
Very enjoyable read... this being my third or fourth time through...
Great plot development up until the ending. Having sex does not resolve the trust issues. An epiphany where he realizes that he has never forgiven her followed by the sex would have been a smoother ending.
Enjoyed the story. Thanks for contributing.
The part where Gronier is talking to the bitch on the phone and calling off the affair disgusts me because the rotten cunt is devastated that Gronier is calling it off and asking him why and then later on she claims, as all sluts do, that she loves her husband so much. Just that part alone causes me to hate her guts. All the other shit she says and does just adds to my disgust, i.e., being pre-occupied thinking of her lover, sometimes being sexually excited thinking of him while having sex with her "beloved" husband, not confessing and thinking she got away with her cheating, etc.
As her husband mentioned in the story, murdering her crossed my mind (and I swear I'm not a violent person). That just goes to show when loves is betrayed, it brings out the worst in us. Let that be a lesson to all would-be cheaters.....the one you betray just might kill you! Think about it!
The story is understandable from the interest of the leukemic daughter.
If their daughter had been healthy he would have divorced her simple!
From Duna
HE DID THE RIGHT THING. SHE HAD TO CHANGE AND REALISE THAT SHE HAD BEEN USED LIKE HE HAD SO MANY WOMEN. BUT HE GOT EVEN WITH HIM. SHE NEVER KNEW UNTIL MUCH LATER THAT HE HAD ENDED THE AFFAIR NOT GOINER. IT TAKES A STRONG MAN TO DO WHAT HE DID. BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRONG AND ADMITTED IT TO HIM .
CURIOUS DO YOU HAVE A HAPPY SEQUEL ABOUT THEM IF SO WHAT IS IT CALLED IF NOT MAYBE YOU SHOULD WRITE ONE
RON TEXAS
Liz was sorry she got caught but never really owned it. She continued to rationalize her betrayal and he enabled and continues to enable her to do so. It's a sad story and ends with a couple in denial and Alan taking the hit for something he didn't do.
To be forgiveness and true reconciliation, in my opinion, there has to be honest contrition by the offending party and honest acknowledgement of the hurt suffered by the offended.
The trapping of the hospital administrator was way too contrived and Liz hurt her family for the sake of a job that wasn't worth it. No she didn't cheat but she did put her family dead last in her thinking and will, ultimately, do so again.
The writing is top drawer and the characters believable. Alan's need to keep a lid on the Richard situation seems like a subconscious attempt to control and even become part of Liz's betrayal.
IT SEEMED TO WORK OUT FOR THE GOOD. ALL THE COMMENTS ABOUT HER NOT OWNING UP AND NOT APOLOGIZING FOR THE AFFAIR BUT ALAN REFUSED TO LET HER TALK ABOUT THE AFFAIR SO HOW COULD SHE APOLOGIZE IF HE WOULD NOT LISTEN. THERE WERE THINGS GOING ON WITH THE ILLNESS OF THE DAUGHTERS ILLNESS AND THE SLICK TALKING LAWYER SO SHE WAS USED SEDUCED THATS WHAT GOOD LAWYERS DO.
I WISH THAT YOU WOULD WRITE A SEQUEL TO THIS STORY IN MY MIND I CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE STILL IN LOVE AND IN A GOOD PLACE IN THERE LIVES. PLEASE BRING US UP TO DATE ABOUT THEM AND MAYBE YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE ROMANCE SECTION WHERE THEY LIVE HAPPY EVER AFTER.
RON TEXAS
you laid a heavy load on Alan. I guess the question that has to be answered is--Will he be happier down the road with his wife and family or not--
He had made that decision 8 years ago and from the outside it looked the same the second time. When he found out about the truth, his walls were shattered and he had nothing left to hang on to for support. He needed Liz to take his balls by the hand (pun intended) and make the first definite move.
One of the other commenters made a very valid statement of how can she make amends when he refuses to talk about it.
What you do speaks so loudly I cannot hear what you say
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I am auhunter04
Just a little comment: why not let Liz know who destroyed the evil seducer, and how?
An interesting thing is "getting even". It is not revenge, it is not payback, it is about one person taking something away from you, and the need to get it back. He had his manhood taken from him, he had his sense of security taken from him, he had his sense of being his family's protector threatened, he had his wife and friend taken from him. He did what he could to take it all back and in many ways he did get it back, but HE had to do all the work. He lost days, weeks, months to fear and misery because his wife wanted days, weeks, months of pleasure for herself. He paid for her affair with his pain. How the fuck do you get even? You don't. Some things in life are total losses. Like death, there is no coming back. When someone cheats, they kill the marriage, and the family. They hurt everyone, even if they are not caught, the infection from the lies still permeates the marriage and the family. The "feel good" new age, bullshit therapists will tell you otherwise, but they make money by selling people denial and outright lies. The truth is the truth, it is always there and will never go away.
Yes why not let it be known he had destroyed him and check out her reaction.
Five stars though. If there were negatives they were steamrollered by the positives
Something you wrote resonated with me
" was it hoter when you were fucking him, while thinking of me, of fucking me while thinking of him."
Never thought of it, but you can't cheat an not think of your spouse. The two relationships infuse each other.
Chilly
lol some comments on this story... people obviously don't actually understand what a "wimpy cuck" actually is. And the people who really think "once a cheater always a cheater" are so narrow minded and full of hate.
you meet all the regulations of being a pussy assed wimpy cuckold
Congratulations for arousing so much emotion and thought in so many people for so long. Obviously a LW classic. I think you wrote your story well. Should we be surprised others would write it differently? Very powerful and dramatic. Interesting that you had intense and frequent sex be the method of their reconciliation. I was going to say Final reconciliation, but unfortunately I can see her affair being an unending source of pain, distrust, and eventual dissolution of their marriage if the right circumstances occur. I would not mind if another author took up their lives, many years later, and continued to explore the possible ramifications of her affair. What I have always wondered is, what happens when the kids are up, gone and independent, she gets maybe less attractive, less sexual after menopause, and he suddenly meets an alternative superior mate. Will he restrain his desire, stay faithful, be the Better spouse; why should he? An interesting sequel to this type plot, that I have yet to see written here. I would like someone with the time, talent, and imagination to give it a try.
Thank you for your time, talent, and imagination!
I am a BTB person. Having seen so much of the bad in life through the eyes of being in law enforcement for 30+ years, I don't have much compassion for anyone caught cheating. One comment I read was that she didn't do it for the sex, therefore it was love on her part. I know people will say you can love two people at the same time but you can't. You can't love anyone the same as you do a spouse. There should be a very special love between them. If she got into bed with Gronier and it was love, she no longer had those same feelings for her husband. He need to move on, take the girls at 15 and 17, move on and get her out of his life. Life it to short and fleeting to be caught in this situation.
That bitch betrayed her whole family and I can feel nothing but disgust when I think of her fucking Richard Gronier while her loving family is at home alone! What a fucking cunt!
This is a BTB story if there ever was one! What that bitch did will always hang over them which is why divorce is the best out for BOTH of them! HE will continue to have nightmares and SHE, if she has any conscience whatsoever, will continue to feel guilt and pain and since she is so weak, she will DEFINITELY cheat again! Divorce will relieve them both from a life of suffering!
Ignore the one dimensional moronic comments that so many give and pay heed to those who appreciate the depth and range of your writing skills Ohio. By definition morons think moronically.
Reconciliation is a difficult subject to tackle and there are many types of betrayal that are beyond redemption and that are deal-breakers: prolonged consistent cheating, cheating more than once, deliberately disrespecting partner with lover or even worse with partner, lack of true remorse, intention to re-offend, laughing at partner, deliberately causing pain to partner, comparing partner's sexual prowess unfavourably with lover's. The list is long. To successfully write a story where reconciliation is realistically achieved is a very difficult and skillful exercise and you do it well. You also write great stories where reconciliation does not happen as the hurt inflicted is too deep, which is fine as well. Well done 5*
That having been said, I am very much a BTB type of guy. 99.999% of the time that truly is the answer as the trust is shattered and without it there is only more pain. Having made that clear, I do say that his first reaction was correct. His daughter had just gone into remission from leukemia, had he gone ahead and burned everything down to the ground it would have made everyone miserable, but not for the reasons that you think. First the daughter would have had a level of stress put on her that would have or at least most likely caused the leukemia to return. Second the other child, she would have had to deal with her sick sister, her parents splitting up, her belief system demolished on so many levels it boggles the mind! Add to that if her sister dies? Then she eventually grows to hate one or both of the parents, has trust issues to fill a book, grief issues and blames both parents in the end. Now for the husband, the so called wimp, he has laid bare his heart, his self respect, his dignity to make sure that his children continue to live happily irregardless of whatever pain he goes through. He foresees the possible ramifications and works to bury his feelings for the well being of his children. Let us not forget the cheater, the wife, the mother of his children (and I put them in that order for a reason) he doesn't so much forgive as take control and try to put his family back together. He is actually very brave as he puts his children first, himself second and the wife last. Normally it would be his wife second and himself after that. However she by her actions made the change for him. It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and say what he should have done, but walk a mile in his shoes and see if you still hold that opinion.
Having dealt with the loss of a family member to cancer, and watching another family member divorce, not for cheating on either side, let me tell you, the children always get in the middle, they always wind up the losers, and cancer affects everyone. Remission is temporary at best. Shock and mental anguish will not only bring the cancer back it will make it twice as hard if not damn near impossible to beat.
The wife deserves no special treatment, she committed the crime and whether it was by a skilled predator or something else it makes no difference. She says that frontier was her savior, her friendly ear, her whatever? I call B.S. on that! She should have spoken to her husband or gone to a professional therapist barring that. She was a college educated woman holding down a position of responsibility and should have known better than to go with this lawyer. The fact that she started with how she loves her husband shows that she saw and was compliant in the seduction. If she truly loved her husband she should have spoken up either to him her husband or to someone higher in the food chain about lawyers advances. She did none of these.
This time when she was legitimate in her reason for being late we see that the husband never did get over the first time. He still had the anger and the hate. Counseling usually works when done immediately. More times than not it fails miserably when done so long after the fact. I am surprised that you wrote in a resolution. Have sex and make it all better? IMHO I have trouble seeing that happening. Still you did and that is your right as the author and that is all that I have to say about that!
I will get off my soap box now..
Seeker
Seeker1107
1. I agree moreover I was one of some commenters who showed the leuckemic daughter problem. The husband was not wimp to help his seriouse ill daughter to maintain a good family background for not giving up to struggle aginst the leukemia. The body has extra power to struggle against the illness and a divorce destroyed her psychic power against the leukemia.
2. When the daughter has seriouse illness and a parent has extramarital affair which could blow up the family background that is a very selfish action. That is the husband broke up the affair and he destroyed Gronier that shows Liz was a little selfish person at her extramarital affair time.
3. If Liz remained this selfish woman I think the husband should have divorced her after 4- 5 years to his daughter healed up!
4. However a few % of the people can change themselves so Liz changed herself to better direction. When she was a partipitian to destroy a predator in her job. This was that event which made the husband remember to her betrayal. When he learned his wife had not affair but she was a partipitian of a predator destroying I agree they reconcilied!
I think this story is Ohio's best story and HE MAKES US THINK!
K.K.'s story "Flight Delay" is a similar story which makes us think too!
"My absolute trust in Liz had been lost a long time ago, and it wasn't ever coming back."
Aye, that's the rub, isn't it. We all know, cheaters included, the adage is true. 'Once a cheater, always a cheater'. Trust lost can never be regained. Perhaps the distrust can lessen, but trust can never be rebuilt. How can something that has been crushed, spit on and ground to dust beneath a heel, ever be rebuilt? Answer, it can't.
While they might stay together until their deaths, he'll always worry and wonder when anything changes. That old worry will crop up and he'll wonder what she's doing. I know from experience and from watching friends it's happened to.
When my girlfriend, who agreed to marry me all the sudden wanted to 'take a break' from one another, started fucking another man, I lost all my trust of women. We got back together a few years later and ended up marrying her. She cheated again and I left, taking my kids with me. But before she cheated again, our best friends had the same problem. The wife decided to try out another man while her husband had flown back to help with sick family members. She tearfully confessed and while he was devastated, he stayed with her. That was 20 years ago and he still doesn't trust her.
I was really impressed with your technique for how Alan was able to overcome Liz's affair with Richard. By not seeing or listening to the video or audio & only seeing a couple of the photos Alan was able to ensure that he wouldn't remember the worst parts of the affair & then be able to pretend to Liz that nothing major was wrong with their marriage.
And for all you naysayers who always quote " once a cheater always a cheater " what a load of BS, sure it may often be true but I'm sure it's often Not True as well. Don't generalise just because you have nothing else important to say. Get a grip.
Another worthy story Ohio, thanks, I enjoyed reading it. 5 *****
as you read thru this story, see how angry, upset, vengeful, hateful and vindictive he is? Cheating does that to people and it is the reason why I believe that BTB is the answer 99% of the time. Sure, children need both parents and their love but I have seen cases where the children continued to suffer when the spouses stayed together so you see, staying together is not a magic wand. Also, being constantly angry and upset is physically dangerous to health. Imagine year after being suspicious and untrusting? It's unfair to children and to both spouses so you see that the damage caused by cheating is pervasive. In my heart of hearts, even where kids are concerned, I believe the cheater kills the family relationship and it will never be the same and staying together for the kids sake holds no real promise and dissolving the horrible marriage is best for all concerned. Just my take.
Her reaction to Gronier’s breaking it off says it all!
The fact that she doesn’t take the opportunity to re-connect with her husband is very troubling.
“I was still wrestling almost daily with my rage and humiliation, my anguish and even hatred.” – That’s because he never confronted her and actually dealt with her cheating.
“I knew she loved me, knew that she wanted to be with me, knew that her sexual desire for me was real.” – MAYBE it is real, but is it there because she truly feels it, or is it because she doesn’t have Richard anymore and is SETTLING for him?
“That's what Liz's late meetings had been about, and that's why she'd been so pre-occupied and distant for several weeks.” – She STILL should have told him what was going on!
She carried on an affair for weeks, if not months, which only ended because he forced Gronier to end it (which really upset her!), and he is supposed to just believe her now?
I still think that part of the problem is that we’ll never know if or when it would have ended if he didn't make Gronier end it.
The element of enduring a child with a fatal disease is one I can never relate to, and so I can't judge him a fool for fighting to hold the family together. She was horribly wrong, but again, I won't nitpick over why she did it. She was at a very low point emotionally and was seduced. It happens. And love can again return.
The story seems very real life with sorrow, heartache, pain, suffering, and emotions . Two things I would never be able to do is not have added video and watch as brutality painful as it would be I would need to see how she acted and sounded. Secondly I commented him because I don't think I could get past it especially after hearing the conversation with her begging him to not break it off. To much to forget I would never trust her again knowing how she could lie and do that for months before you realize something is off. At work at the store going to gym out with friends all give plenty of time to cheat so you can never really know what's going on and if she was able to do it once than she knows what to do better the next time to cover it up. Third I almost forgot her getting in the shower with me would never happen again because she showered with him after she fucked him at the hotel . Good story with real life meaning. I get doing it for the kids but that is usually where he would also be fucking someone and the relationship would be bad for a long time util it finally came to a abrupt end
Yes this story which makes the average reader think and it is a very thinking provocate story.
I think (as one of the commenters who mentioned the almost fatal ill daughter problem first) the husband did well to keep the family together. He abrupted the affair of his wife and later he destroyed Gronier.
When the daughter struggles with a dangerouse Leukemia the whole assisting family background is important and I understand he did not divorce moreover he did not confront with his wife. THE FIRST IS THE ILL DAUGHTER!
Ohio did not do the story to us easy. Why?
Yes the daughter healed up 100% after some years and the 2 daughters are to leave the family nest. He stayed in this marriage and he confronted in a situation when the wife's job was in an interesting situation. A predator was before sacking out through a workplace cospiration. The wife was only a participiant of a provocation. She did not cheat, but the husband thought she cheated again. Ohio wanted to show the wife left the extramarital life forever and she reformed herself. The sleeping vulcan erupted and the husband confronted with her past. The author wanted to show the wife was a participiant in a predator sacking out she did positive turn she reformed herself.
I wrote OHIO did a hard story, because the suitable behavioral would have been after some years the ill daughter healed up totally he should have divorced her. If a wife and mother or husband and father does flowering extramarital liason when the kid struggle with a potentialy fatal disease that parent and spouse deaserves a divorce when the kid healed up totally.
Yes a few % people can learn from their mistake and with the participiation of the anti job predator action Ohio showed as a good plot device the wife reformed herself.
The husband confronted with her and the marriage counseler's work was easy.
I wrote a story where the husband divorced his wife after 19 years he learned his third daughter originated from a longer extramarital affair and I the author think of my wife character that she had not more extramarital affairs for the last 19 years. Yes a not biological daughter is not same as the circumtances was in this story.
Very good Reconciliation story it may be one of the best Reconciliation stories what I read.
I agree with Angique's comments...
Ohio is exceptional in his ability to keep the attention totally and naturally. Very well told.
I still have a slight suspicion as to why there seemed to be a repeat of her behaviour with the second guy, Tom: the distant attitude, the way she stopped mentioning him, the change in love making, and of course the sudden late evenings at work. I really thought there was going to be a revelation about the wife and him after all. Could this new guy have successfully seduced her as well as being the subject of the office campaign against him?
I don't like it much.. you painted the husband as a wimp..
I could understand him trying to stay in marriage while his daughter is not well and even while they r still young...
But when she started to act the same way the second time . I would not have believe any of her words. If she did it once she sure could do it again n hide it better...the signs that she started it again would have been enough for me to divorce her. May b she is fucking him no one knows, why would she acted distance n guilty if she hadn't...coz she did n then may b latter the proceeding to file case against Tomy by other staff members ...she just go along to protect herself being expose of her affair with him... or may be she did it with that other guy from office...why would he tried to convince Mr. H if he has nothing to do with his wife what did he expect to gain? You just couldnt trust her or any males close to her to not b fucking her..
The fact that she begged Richard not to break up with her while he sat there n listen to her begging....is enough for me to divorce her n burn her in revenge ...but I would have waited till the girls r out of the house n on their own in college. In the mean time I would have not fuck her..let Alone making love to her. ..I would have found my self other women to relieve me..sexually. mind you, coz once she cheated on him she released him from marriage vows so technically he is not cheating.
Sluts never change...once a cheater always a cheater. Especially when they got away with it the first time .
If I were him...I will ask myself can I trust her in the future... and every time shesaid she will b late having late meeting..or going out with friends for a drink..or anything which he is not involved in..will always wonders if she is fucking around on him...again. Trust is a very fragile currency..almost impossibly to regain once broken.
I gave you a 5 and loved the LW story!! Eat it annoy! Oh and you to Zed. I would write you directly but your scared little boy won't allow anyone to write back toyou. I think that's because you are scared I know you are a fag!!
GREAT STORY LOVED THE WOMAN IN IT REMNDS ME OF ANNONY;S WIFE.1
Ordinarily I am not a fan of reconciliation stories. You know this is true. But you must grade each story by its own merits. Some thoughts, however: I was angered at Peter Danielson demanding that their employees keep the information discussed in secret after hours meetings secret from their spouse. At that point I wanted Alan to file for divorce against Liz and sued the hospital and specially Peter Danielson. Another point: Liz did not break off with Richard. If Alan had not intervened, the affair would have stretched on for months, by which time, there would have been zero chance of resurrecting the marriage. I felt like Alan should have burned her. But he chose to give her a chance. And until she lied to him a second time, she was making the most of her second chance. She failed her husband horrendously TWICE...an affair and keeping secrets from her husband. Grudgingly, I acknowledge I can live with your ending.
everything the husband did was for the long term benefit of his children, not just himself. The analogy of the tortured man worked so well, and the mental stress suffered by Alan was genuinely so realistic. Also, of course, the villain Gronier got his comeuppance, in spades.
All the hairy-backed, large nostrilled morons who write that a husband should ALWAYS destroy the wife who has an affair, no matter what the circumstances, obviously have no woman in their lives. They probably are forced to make out with their dog as no sane woman would have anything to do with them.
Bullfrog
This woman is on the phone begging her lover not to dump her and the husband takes her back???? Really???? Look up the statistics on how often counseling saves a marriage, it's astonishingly low yet you use it I'm most stories......... Pathetic weak men in your stories, and don't give me the shit that it takes a stronger man to forgive..
The story's first part is understandable well. The husband fought for his leukemic daughter to maintain an intact family. All right he did good job with destroying Gronier too.
The problem began when the daughter healed up and husband does need to maintain the intact family background. The readers must agree or do not agree with the end reconciliation.
I can not decide once I am pro second time against the end reconciliation and Ohio was so cuning not give easy possibilty to decide!
One of the best Reconciliation story! A lot of Reconcilitaion story is easy to agree or not to agree with the author this story is not these.
If the wife did not take part of a predator's punishment in her job I could dicide easy he should divorce her after the leukemic daughter is healthy 100%.
Alan is the prototypical cuckold/wimp/creampie eating husband. He gathered the necessary evidence and like a wimp used the US Mail to deal with his Bull all the while giving his cheating Slut of a wife a free ride on the Adultery Bus.
Real life - compromise, trade this for that, choose what you want and do whatever you have to to get it. He controlled his rage at his wife to keep his family. He totally f----- over the sob that screwed with it. Not so wimpy in my book. Ohio, you done good.
To the haters,99 % anonymous of course,i wonder what you would do with a wife that cheats once and i mean in real life not here posing as big macho man and ranting about revenge,killing people and insulting the author,i'm sure there is a good reason for your behavior to post anonymously like maybe you are a little scared that one day your wife or partner might discover your pathetic drivvel ,you must feel so good at night that in your pathetic little brain you are a true man and hero
OHIO i gave you 5 stars for this well tought of and very well written story
5 to offset the ass wipe on LIT that always gives a 1 after insulting the writer.
to offset the ass wipe on LIT that always gives a 1 after insulting the writer.
She got used as she said he seduced her at first Than he just wanted. to fuck her like he said she was a babe. Richard was a real SLImeball but he got his balls handed to him in the end. To bad Alan had to go thru it all by himself to save his marriage. Than she realized what a fool she had made out of herself.
Ron
And I have to say, there are times to reconcile and times to burn. That having been said, this time was a time to reconcile. Did she cheat, yes! Did he forgive her the first time, no, not in my opinion. He made a conscious decision to stay with her based on more than just his ego. Had he decided to divorce after the first time, who can say what the effect would be on the daughter that had just recovered from leukemia? Probably nothing good. He also was the child of a divorce and watched his nephews and nieces dealing with it and made a decision. Not everyone can or even wants to pull the pin on that grenade. Was it the right thing, well only he could say, and in this case there wasn't a second indiscretion, however she gave off the same vibes and all it would have taken was a little communication on her part, but to just blow him a kiss on the way out the door telling him she had a late meeting to go to while true, was also disrespectful to him in the extreme.
It was a good story, however, me personally I don't think I could do it.
I really didn't like the avoidance Alan displayed by not making Liz own her slutty shitty behavior.
That needed dealt with before 8 years had passed obviously.
I liked Alan otherwise and respected how he dealt with Richard, just not Liz.
Liz really needed a face full of just how big of a whore she became for a scumbag instead of a loving wife.
She needed to fully face herself in all her slutty glory to learn to never be that way again.
Well written even though left me feeling a little short.
I particularly liked the flow of it. Keep it up, please. Five plus stars.
What an idiot. Once a cheater, always a cheater. She'll do it again......
Hi there peoples! Let me tell you if you have to face the same situation in your "real life"! You do the same, because you bare the cross for your family! The story is Fantastic! I would have loved to see them have a baby boy! For the reason of True eternal Love! LOVE YOU ALL! BYE! OH 100 % OF READING ENJOYMENT BYE GREG.
Reconciliation is not the same as RAAC. Each situation is different, depending on the people involved. The husbands, and the marriages are each unique.
With reconciliation, I tend to see a return to a marriage with balance between the partners.
With RAAC, I think of something like a Matt Moreau story where the husband accepts an unequal marriage and is degraded by the spouse on a regular basis. (I'd be happier if Matt was a shitty writer, and I'd never be tempted by his stories. Unfortunately, he writes too well for that and I have to check the rosa-blanca.ru before reading each story so I can skip the ones that might infuriate me)
Anyway, that's my opinion on that subject.
in my opinion she betrayed him twice the first time with gronier the second time by not telling no matter what the lawyer said if she loved him and would like to stay married to him this is information you can not keep from your husband /wife it breads distrust and anger and above all she will make it look like she can not count on her husband in times of need witch for most man is very inportant to know that your wife counts on you in tough times
This is not a RAAC story! This is a choice by the husband to forgive his wife without telling her he knows about her affair because he loves his children too much to put them through a divorce!
I've been there myself, except it wasn't a cheating scenario, but a withholding of sex and affection for over 7 years before I cracked-up emotionally because I couldn't cheat on her nor leave with my three sons still living at home, the youngest being 15 at the time I finally broke down. It was only my love for my sons that allowed me to stay married to a cold, bitter, verbally abusive spouse who wouldn't relent on her sexual isolation.
Honestly, if she'd cheated, it would have been easier! I'm still messed-up with major depression issues...
You made a plausible case for reconciliation.
This is one of the better reconciliation stories I have read and House of Cards was possibly the worst.
You could see why even if you disagree the protagonist decided to try to save his marriage.
I liked it and I'm a sucker for reconciliation. Would have liked more of the vitriol and more of the "vengeance" as it unfolded on gronier.
Thank you for your efforts. Really appreciated!
One of my favorites of yours. Still five stars. Still love it. Very emotionally authentic.
and eight years later he was still a wimp. Nevef managed to grow a pair.
Those who call this husband a wimp have no understanding of his strength of character. Their manhood is only affirmed by the gun they must carry.
Never quite understand how married women,who aren't looking for a lover,allow some lothario to break down their defenses without recognizing what's happening and the possible consequences.
Thankfully,the husband kept the welfare of his daughters up front,having suffered through his parents' divorce as a child. I disagree with the commenters who see him as a wimp.It took a lot of inner-strength to withstand the pain of adultery and keep his marriage/family from falling apart. He also certainly dished out some heavy emotional punishment to his wife.
Really thought this was a good,well-written story and rated it "5".
It has to be a 5 star story. I loved Alan he was a man of true strength. He looked beyond what most people would. He realized, probably from his own experience. That the real victims of a divorce are the children. Looking at a lot of the comments from all the brave anonymous posters. If you were not aware that was sarcasm. They are either small dick cuckolded men. Or pathetic weak willed women who just insult and hide. They don't have the courage to fight back in real life. I think it's called deflection, they have to throw insults. Condemning the author over a piece if fiction. But getting back to the point. Most Lotharios know how to get under a woman's defenses. I'm not saying that justifies it. Most of us have come across them once or twice. Most of the time we are able to fend them off. However, there are times when we feel low and vulnerable. Again this is no excuse, but sadly it happens. I can't give a reason, due to the fact they are numerable. In short, a real man. Looks at the facts and acts accordingly. If it means to forgive and stay married. He will do it. But please bear in mind to forgive DOES NOT mean to forget!
You write a lot of cheating wife stories and I like the ones where they make it. I just can't help wondering if my wife would take me back if I cheated, or would she cut my balls off as she has said she would. I've never wanted to test her promise.
from the AHOLE of LIT! Dear annony. This fool read all of the LW stories and then bitches and post a 1 or noting. he's fucking insane
Great story but I just can't get the end. How does lots of sex equate to forgiveness for Alan? To me, the one thing this story is missing is Alan's thoughts (he doesn't really describe it in the story) that lets him forgive her. He goes from hating her and uncontrolled anger to lots of sex and no talking along with forgiveness. His only explanation is 'to much talking.' It just doesn't follow with the rest of the story and the character you made. At first glance its lots of sex and the pain goes away? He and the story aren't that shallow.
Gronier didn't "break down" Liz's defenses. He snuck and slithered cajoled and conived his way under and around them. He got Liz to invite him in and then took over her emotions. Look back at what Sebastian says in one of the earlier sessions. It is almost like he hypnotized her, remember she said it was like coming out from behind a cloud.
Very well written and edited. It flowed nicely and for me at least was an emotionally rough ride. Love it when stories suck me in! You are very talented and creative and wrote (and have written) a tale. Write on Ohio. 5*s fer sure!
However, There is something of great importance that was overlooked besides the fact that Alan goes from being furious with Liz to honeymoon sex with her in an instant.
What's being overlooked is that the affair had been going on for months and Liz wanted the affair to continue. She admitted that she was truly enjoying it and was shocked and upset when Richard ended it.
Then she claims she had an epiphany and began trying to make up for her mistakes. A few years later she was well on her way falling into the same trap with the new doctor before Alan challenged her.
I think Alan better keep close tabs and tight reigns on ole Liz !!
One rule of thumb is that it can take as long to heal from a crisis as the crisis lasts.
Healing after 8 years of holding it inside ...
That this was a believable reconciliation. I wouldn't make the same decision but you did a great job of walking the story through it.
Subjectively if I was her and knew he had found out about Gronier I would have just told him what is going on. The people she is working with aren't gods or even the NSA,screw the company in this case IMO it shouldn't have even been close.
Is pretty lame. I enjoyed the story a lot, especially the destruction of the predator, but Liz was an unrepentant skank who spread for the scumbag and never looked back. If Alan hadn't forced him to end it, Liz would have kept on fucking with Gronier for months or years.
Liz is a ticking time bomb who will spread for the next predator in a heartbeat. At least the kids are growing old enough to withstand the upcoming divorce now, and custody won't be an issue much longer.
Though he went on without confronting her originally about the affair he never really trusted her. Seems to ring true to his circumstance. Watching her and losing his calm when it looked like she was cheating again seemed real. He was a child of divorce and he knew what was on the line for him and his kids if he divorced. You can criticize the FICTIONAL Alan and/or the author but I think it was very well written and not a RAAC.
I understand why he stayed. For his children. What i don't understand is how sex solved the intimacy issue. Gronier is a scum, no doubt about that. But Gronier isn't the one who broke his vows to the husband, it was Liz. If Alan saw fit to destroy gronier, why did liz managed to get away scot free? The idea of beibg seduced removes any agency of women. A man can't use that excuse. Especially if its more than once. Nothing was resolved, no question answered. Only excuses and downplaying on the part of the woman. RACC
Such a dumb excuse. Not that I minded the RAAC, but no revenge on Richard Gronier was a big letdown. Crying in the shower like a pussy, no revenge just kinda meh.
"No revenge"? wtf?
Did you not read the whole middle part of the story, where Gronier's whole life and career get totally blown to bits?
IN THE END SHE IS STILL A CHEATING FUCK SLUT WHORE...OK HE GOT GRONIER SACKED AND LOST HIS WIFE AND MONEY...BUT HAD HE NOT FOUND OUT ABOUT THEM THEN SHE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED THE AFFAIR FOR AS LONG AS IT WOULD LAST....AND THEN THE SECOND TIME SHE SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT TO KEEP IT QUIET THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN APPEASED BUT INSTEAD HE BLEW HIS STACK ABOUT ANOTHER AFFAIR...WRONG AS IT WAS BUT TURNED OUT YET ANOTHER PUSSY HOUND AFTER HER....CAN SEE WHY HE DID NOT WANT TO SPLIT FROM HER AND AFFECT THE KIDS LIKE HE HAD BEEN AFFECTED...BUT IN THE END THEY WORKED IT OUT OR WAS SHE JUST MORE CAREFUL THE NEXT TIME SHE SHAGGED ANOTHER STRANGE COCK....
HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THE EMOTIONS INVOLVED. WOW. GREAT JOB.
You believe it all: Alan's reasoning behind staying married to Liz; his revenge on Gronier; why he blew up on Liz and revealed her betrayal; the Cold War; the sessions with Sebastien; even how they managed to reconnect made sense (some people can downplayed it all they want, but sexual intimacy can indeed heal some wounds, in a relationship.)
I tend to agree the group of readers that doesn't see it as a RAAC - those two W-O-R-K-E-D to get back together, nothing was push aside or ignored in their quest for resolution. They probably still have a lot of work to do together to make their marriage as healthy as possible, but hey, isn't it what all married couple should do?
Like it a lot; another winner from a great writer.
what hurt most was her fighting with Richard when he calls her to end their affair; what could she have said? She was fighting to keep Richard? She couldn't stand to lose him? She did love him. She confesses herself that sex has to mean something; so she gave her heart to another man, not just the man. She doesn't deserve to be married. She is a helpless, weak woman, who shouldn't be trusted.
...after a long illness? Response of both are very realistic to me. Sometimes... just sometimes a BTB is not always called for.
5-stars
Oh Boo Hoo. She had a sick kid and couldn't handle the stress of her getting better. So what does she do? Celebrate her daughter's recovery by celebrating with her husband and family? Find religion? Volunteer to help other children with life threatening situations? No. She goes out, finds some schmuck with a smooth line and bangs him silly. It was pretty obvious from the phone conversation the asshole had with her that she had no intention of wanting to end things with him. Some say it was a mistake. Others say ignore it and move on. Still others say to dump her and cut your losses. She says that it will never happen again. Can he be sure? How long, if ever, before she can be trusted? Is he willing to stay with her until that happens? Myself, I would have confronted her right away, sued for child custody, delivered all the info to the assholes wife and taken him to court for breaking up my marriage. Ruining him would be a minimum, and outing a cheating spouse would be a bonus. It may be his wife but it's not the woman he married.
What an arsehole Alan is.So his wife had an affair,he sorted that but is reaction to the Bernardo situation is pure over kill.A lawyer tells him what is going on and he refuses to believe him and then when it is shown to be true he treats his wife like dirt.I repeat what an arrogant arsehole.
4 and a half pages of the husband suffering just terrible mental anguish, then in the last half page his wife throws herself at him and wins him back. I get that he loves the shit out of her, but for fucks sake, this poor bastard would need years of therapy to heal his mind. One of my favorite writers, but still, even though the wife was not a unlikeable character, don't see a happy ever after ending. *****
Discovering an affair, keeping that knowledge secret, and then reopened wounds later. I love re-reading this one.
Fantastic Story! I hope I never have to go through that much Shit like they did? Marriage is an ongoing commitment of your love for each other! When one or both of you stray the marriage is Kaput, fucked, buggered, you don't get to do sexual obstacle course or hide the weenie! Thanks for sharing this Fantastic Story with us! ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ WOOF!
I'm sorry but as soon as I had found out about her cheating with Gronier two things would have happened one I would have tackled her about it and set up the divorce because I would never want to put my cock where Gronier's had been any more, and I could never trust the she wouldn't cheat again. Secondly I wouldn't have waited and gone for her paramour immediately and ruined the pussy hound. I hate being vindictive but I take my marriage vows seriously and never cheated on my wife.
By the way I worked among about 200 hundred women aged 16 to 60 so there was lots opportunity for me to cheat.
My wife left me and fled with our son to another state and moved in with her mom. I gave my two weeks notice and followed two weeks later. I got a job the first day there. But my wife and I were never the same again. My son came to my worksite to talk to me. He said if I was holding onto a loveless marriage for his sake, I was wasting my time. He signed a contract with the US Marines and on his 18th birthday, two weeks after graduating, he left for Parris Island and his mom and I separated. That was 10 years ago. No divorce. But our futures hold no chance of reconciliation.
1. How can you claim to love someone and yet do the absolute worst thing possible to them? People who think that it is possible should never get married.
2. How can someone believe anything that a cheater has to say? They have proven that they can lie and break the most important promise in a marriage so obviously they can do it again. Let alone all of the other small promises to breakand lies that are easier to tell.
3. Why would you go through life with a cheater who has proven that promises and vows mean nothing? You can never trust them again.
4. If you want to have extramarital sex then why not get a divorce first? You don't love your spouse, but at least respect them enough to break it off first.
It takes two people to have an affair. It is not the fault of the seducer. All Liz had to do was say no. If she loved her husband she would have said no.
Affairs don't just happen. It takes time and effort. It takes planning to keep it a secret. It takes effort to start much less continue the relationship. It is a long going series of lies, deception, and manipulation of the one person you claim to love most in the world.
I just don't get it.
I also commented on that story, and realized after I saw your name I hadn't ever commented on this one, despite a similar theme being addressed. Rectifying that now. This is one of my favorites, and have read it multiple times.
I liked the story! Very good character development. Sad at times, not incredibly sexy, just a good story.
So I continue to read your stories. And I hate every single ending.
I know call me a masochist.
Why is this guy spineless? Decking her lover was good.
And keeping it to himself for his kids sake was indeed heroic.
I loved his explanation using the CIA tortured spy analogy. Very fitting.
Abd he is right to feelthat way.
But she climbs into the shower to fuck him and she's magically forgiven?
"No thanks. Sign here and we'll be divorced in 90 days Liz. I can't live with this level of distrust. I made a choice 8 years ago for the kids. Well they are old enough now.I choose to end the pain and the marriage".
It does seem to be a curse of the LW site. Cheating lying wives seem to always be forgiven. Makes ma skin crawl.
There is something about your stories that make me read them all the way to the end and some of them are good but this one is probably the most pathetic story I have ever read in my life - and I have read a lot.
What is wrong with Alan? Cheating and betrayal are the most traumatic emotional experiences a human can encounter - but seriously what woman on the face of the earth would not cheat on Alan? He is simply disgusting.
For all of those that want to murder the betraying couple, by all means, go ahead. Murder the adulteress and her lover, and spend the rest of your life in prison. If you want a nice fantasy, where the husband cuts off the lovers dick, takes the children to foreign lands, there are other unrealistic stories like that. Funny thing is, shit like that does happen, but yet they end up in prison taking it up the ass.
This was a man that truly LOVES his wife. Loves his family. Reality of a divorce, being a weekend dad, splitting everything, not an option for him. Granted, the character was smarter than most of the people who will read this story.
But hey So far I have read two of yours and they are really good stories. I kept putting you off cause I just saw a cuckold story. Well, they are in essence. But they don't stay that way. Thank you.
Yet another story of an arrogant,pigheaded,sun shines out of his arsehole husband.As he did not confront her about gronier at the time he lost all right to the moral high ground.